Yes or no. Could love be inclusive of horrible cruelty? I’d like your comments.
Yes or no. Could love be inclusive of horrible cruelty? I’d like your comments.
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“Father forgive them for they know not what they do”, reveals so much more than has yet been realized by the masses. In the first place, he was forgiving those who rejected him. The religion tries to make it work by saying he was forgiving them because they did not know that he was the son of God which makes absolutely no sense. Regardless, whether he was the son of God or just another human, according to the belief they were sinners and now murderers. Furthermore, he was no more the son of God than those who were crucifying him and Jesus knew this.. These words prove that Jesus realized that all are not only forgiven but forever loved eternally by their creator. The prayer was not necessary, because no forgiveness exists because there is nothing to forgive. Of course, Jesus knew this but made the statement to exemplify the love of God which only he had fully realized. Likewise, Jesus did not die for the sins of mankind because no sacrifice was ever required by love.
“for they know not what they do”, our only shortcoming is ignorance, which we shall all move beyond eventually as did Jesus, which is the only difference in us and Jesus.. It may take many more grueling lifetimes for some but all will eventually wake up to truth. Jesus had realized who and what he really was and knew those who were torturing him were the same but just ignorant of it. This was his teaching from the beginning, the problem was that he was interpreted by Jews heavily ingrained in OT teachings of an angry, emotional, revengeful, human like, judgmental God who planned a creation where a few would forever live in bliss with Him and the vast majority would suffer forever and call it love. According to the belief, our loving God thinks nothing of creating humans knowing in advance they will suffer forever. It teaches that God is all knowing but very unhappy with His creation and consequently condemns the majority. Jesus not only knew better but tried in vain to teach it. Sadly, he was terribly misinterpreted!
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We are not bodies having a spiritual experience, we are eternal spiritual beings having one of many physical experiences. Bodies expire, Spirit does not. The grave holds no one. Never has, never will!
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I find it interesting that the two things Christianity gets right is that God is love and life is eternal while at the same time denying both by believing in a God of eternal punishment and only one life beginning at physical birth.
To believe that love would plan a creation where most suffered forever with no hope of escape is the ultimate contradiction. As human we can only experience a very limited reality, but we do experience love, at least to some degree. Probably the closest version is that of a mother’s love for her child. What loving mother would even think of bringing a child into the world knowing it would suffer forever? Yet that is precisely what the religion accuses their loving God of. Yes, a mother disciplines a child to teach it about how to live this life but she never even considers eternal suffering for the wrongs it may do, as love could not even conceive of such. Just think about it, a child does wrong, a mother is heartbroken but if the child repents, the mother is ecstatic and is certainly not interested in punishing for repented misbehavior. Neither is our loving God. The religions have totally misconstrued and desecrated both God and love.
Yes, life is eternal, which means without beginning or end. There is no death, only transition. Such is very easily proven by the many NDE’s or the hypnotist who have taken people back and recorded their experiences of seeing the lifeless body, hearing the doctors pronounce it dead, witnessing the loved ones weeping, etc. followed by moving on through the tunnel into the loving white light.
We have all lived many many lives in physicality on this side of the veil, as well as unknown experience in bliss on the other side. Time does not exist on the other side of the veil, where it is always NOW. We choose to forget who and what we really are to experience physicality with free choice in the only environment where ultimate contrast of opposites, good, evil, health, sickness, up, down, hot, cold, light, dark, etc. can exist. Such is impossible on the other side where only love and perfections exists. Why would we choose such, because of what the grand experience contributes to our understanding and eternity.
In a nutshell, there is no death, which means there has never been a resurrection, so much for Easter. And Jesus did not die for the sins of mankind but to demonstrate for us love, forgiveness and who and what we really are, Divine. He said greater than these will you do, indicating that he did not consider himself any greater than those who he taught, merely more spiritually advanced. The church simply went off on a false tangent following a Jewish interpretation of Jesus, anxious to fulfill their anticipated Messiah. More on that later.
The REAL glory and magnificence of Easter is not about a resurrection, in fact, none occurred. It was far more glorious. Jesus never died. Only the physical body expires and we are not a physical body. Of course, Jesus survived death of the physical body, just as we all do. There is no birth or death of Spirit, only transition. There is no such thing as dead people, only dead or inanimate bodies. Spirit is eternal, meaning without beginning or end. Yes, Jesus chose to reappear briefly in a form his followers would recognize to reassure them of the continuity of life. Jesus came to bring light into a world of darkness and demonstrate unconditional love, unconditional forgiveness and the continuity or eternalness of life as reflected in his dying words from the cross, Father, forgive them for they know not what they do. He clearly loved and forgave all without condition including those who rejected him and nailed those precious hands and feet to a chunk of wood and raised it for all to witness his gift of love and light. No wonder the thief on another cross and the Roman Centurion were so overwhelmed as to crumble and exclaim him lord. Never before or since has love been so profoundly demonstrated.
Jesus did not die for the sins of mankind. If he had, he would not have been able to say, forgive them, for they were sinners regardless their treatment of him. To believe that is to rob him of the unconditional love and forgiveness he so marvelously and sacrificially demonstrated from the cross. It adds condition to that which he spoke clearly without any. It further desecrates both God and love by adding rejection and eternal suffering as an aspect of love. Instead of unconditional acceptance, it institutes a price or ritual to be paid. Love does not condemn and God does not find any part or aspect of His creation unworthy of acceptance. No loving entity would create a world that would require rejection, suffering and punishment.
Yes, Jesus is the Son of God as is all creation including you and I.
I was having a conversation recently about spirituality and nearing the end, the other said, you think you have it all figured out, don’t you? After some thought, it became obvious to me that no, I haven’t figured anything out. Here’s what happened. Many years ago, after struggling with the beliefs of my religion, I became frustrated, closed my eyes and said, God these teachings no longer ring with truth to me, they seem like one contradiction after another, please show me what you’re all about. I kept repeating that request. Soon my intuition started showing me things in many different ways, like a book title, or some inspirational story, some spiritual teacher on the Internet, or simply thoughts that did ring with truth, etc. I started becoming excited and after many years, I still repeat that request quite regularly because I realize that I still haven’t even scratched the surface and those unexplainable hints just keep coming.
So, no I haven’t figured out anything, a higher Source just has led me to where I am today. Of course, many others are still following what I questioned and now are convinced that it is the Devil who is responding to me. I just smile and think, well if so, Source is allowing him to respond to God’s call, he has turned to love, decided to preach that God really is love and does it without the contradictions I was hearing before.
The belief accepted by the masses and the church that we are a new soul born into a physical body and upon death our eternity is established is a ridiculously limited uninformed one. In the first place, eternity has no beginning or end. There is no such thing as a NEW soul. We exist always and are simply experiencing another brief physical encounter. Our forever home is the other side of the veil and only a small aspect of our Soul leaves for various encounters. It is only these encounters that enable us to experience an illusion of contrast, i.e., light, dark, good, evil, love, unlove, etc.
In reality, only the perfection of love and light exists. Imperfection could not possibly exist in reality. The veil separates illusion from reality. It blocks our memory of who we really are, past lives, etc. to enhance the illusion. Our soul never actually leaves or separates from perfect reality.
Some believe I have been unfavorable to the church. It is only my intent to bring forth the truth that the church has been most unfavorable to God and Love. It’s not that God needs my help, I think He can handle it but perhaps others here could benefit. The church proclaims a God of love and then presents a very unloving one. To believe that love would create billions, knowing in advance that they would suffer forever or create man incapable of perfection and then condemn him for it, certainly does not reflect love but it’s opposite. No loving human would even think of such but we think nothing of accusing our loving God of it. We justify it with such ridiculous argument as, well it has to be true because the good book says so and we can’t understand God, which is a very flimsy attempt to make obvious contradiction acceptable.
The truth is, the greatness, love and glory of God is not only pure, consistent and without contradiction but vastly beyond human understanding. However, glimpses are there for those who are ready for awakening. The rest will remain imprisoned behind the walls of ingrained beliefs until the Light knocks a little louder on their door.
If Jesus did not die for the sins of man and there is no eternal punishment, what then was the message of Jesus and what explains how he became the most revered and famous person in the history of mankind?
Jesus made an indescribably moving and loving decision to bring light into a world of darkness because it was wallowing in despair having strayed far from love. He taught love, non-judgment, peace and total acceptance in a most striking, overwhelming, astonishing and unforgettable manner to bring most all to their knees in respect and reverence. While he endured their intentional pain, mocking and ridicule, he lovingly looked on them and uttered his dying words, “Farther forgive them”. Never before or since has unconditional love been demonstrated so profoundly, so remarkably, so unforgettably or with so much personal sacrifice. It was the overwhelming magnificence of this man that caused the Roman Centurion and the thief on the other cross to immediately crumble and become Jesus followers, and countless more since and emblazoned his story in the history of mankind.
Yet the church has since robbed him of the glory by replacing unconditional love with fear. First of all, they deny that he truly forgave those who rejected him which would disallow their belief that you must accept Jesus for salvation. This was not a horrific act the Father was requiring for the salvation of mankind, which makes the volunteering of Jesus greatly more magnificent. Their distortion of the message from the voluntary example of unconditional love, to a God required sacrifice, not only disavows unconditional love with conditions but replaces freedom with coercion. Unconditional love accepts all while conditions introduce fear, i.e., which religion or belief is best, I must make others aware, will all my loved ones make it, how can Heaven be blissful while I’m aware the many who are suffering forever with no hope of escape, am I doing enough, etc. To declare that you have free choice but choosing the wrong one results in terrible suffering, implies coercion, not freedom.
If the religions would cast aside their doctrines and simply follow the example of Jesus in non-judgment and love for all, such would totally fulfill the whole of God’s wishes for mankind. The Good News is that we keep living additional lives (easy to prove) until we finally get it right and no one is excluded. So, yes Jesus is our salvation to spiritual advancement from physicality by showing us that love, not belief, ritual or good deeds is the answer. Good deeds just happen when love happens. Yes, one can advance being religious if loving, but love is all that matters.